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At the beginning of each year, for the past 10 or more years, I am excited to get the invite from my friend Larry Gordon to make the trek to the University of Maryland to attend the annual, day long forum on Financial Information Systems and Cybersecurity: A Public Policy Perspective. This year's agenda for the 20th Forum was loaded with interesting topics and speakers. The luncheon keynote, delivered by the former Deputy Director of NSA, George Barnes, especially grabbed my interest and I was delighted that George accepted my offer to do a podcast and interview. I appreciate the insight George has gained from overseeing operations at NSA, which is at the forefront of the cyber war with nation states, especially in light of the recent Salt Typhoon and Volt Typhoon attacks. So listen to the podcast here as George Barnes reflects about the cyber challenges we face and how AI is also rapidly changing the landscape of cyber offense and defense.