Andrew and Jen bounce ideas around with futurist Clayton Bunyard, Ph.D., about biological design thinking, weird skills we'll need in the future, STEM vs STEAM, and how video conferencing tools are going to get much, much better.

• The Future of Organizational Creativity by Clayton Bunyard, Ph,D.

• Microsoft Holoporter

• PeTal

• Magic Leap

• University of Houston, Master of Science in Foresight