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Dr. Taylor Marshall joins Avoiding Babylon and first explores Pope Leo XIV's first months leading the Catholic Church and what this new papacy means for traditional Catholics worldwide. After more than a decade of restrictions under Pope Francis, Marshall advocates patience and prayer as Leo navigates Vatican politics while showing promising signs of respect for tradition.

The conversation delves into Marshall's thoughtful distinction between modern Christian nationalism and authentic Catholic patriotism. His forthcoming book "Christian Patriot: 12 Ways to Create One Nation Under God" offers a roadmap for cultural renewal grounded in natural law, Church teaching, and the social kingship of Christ. Unlike many Protestant approaches to Christian politics, Marshall draws from the rich tradition of Catholic social thought dating back to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.

Demographics emerge as a powerful undercurrent in the discussion, with traditional Catholic communities growing through significantly higher birth rates while progressive parishes struggle to maintain attendance. Marshall projects that this "demographics is destiny" reality will inevitably reshape the Church regardless of current policies or restrictions. The hosts explore how America's unique Catholic landscape differs from the more secularized European context, creating both challenges and opportunities.

The episode takes a fascinating turn as Marshall shares Catholic perspectives on apocalyptic prophecy that contrast sharply with popular dispensationalist interpretations, particularly regarding Israel and end-times events. Throughout, Marshall maintains that regardless of whether we face minor tribulations or major apocalyptic events, Catholics are called to consistent faithfulness—loving enemies while building cultures that reflect Christ's teachings.

Pre-order Marshall's book at ChristianPatriotBook.com and discover a compelling vision for cultural renewal rooted in the Catholic intellectual tradition.

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