Up until now, this podcast has leaned heavily expat because that is largely the network we have access to, but I finally landed a native Dutch guest!

I are excited to introduce you to our November guest, Odelia Djoe; Surinamese by birth and grew up in the Netherlands. Odelia has been designing her life on her terms while navigating her black Dutch identity, an often complicated topic in this culture. Our conversation covered all sorts of ground, including her upbringing and navigating the NL education system as a black kid, how she stepped into the corporate world and her passions outside of this space. Besides being a corporate badass in change management. Odelia is also a writer, passionate about song writing and education. She dedicates one day of her work week to that, as part of the 4 day work week phenomenon that is common in the NL, and she had interesting insights into that too. Odelia is an incredible ray of sunshine and positivity and a must hear story for a perspective of how it is to live life on your terms and embrace your identity, despite the systemic challenges she grew up in as a person of color. Have a listen to the episode for more.

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