We’re back with part two of our conversation with our good friends Todd and Jennifer Gerelds—and y’all, it’s just as real and rich as part one. In this episode, we talk about what happens when your “picture-perfect” version of your spouse gets shattered—and why that’s actually a good thing. From honest confessions and tough seasons to learning how to trust God with each other’s mess, this conversation is full of grace, laughter, and practical wisdom.

You’ll hear about what it looked like to keep slaying the “me monster” over time, how trusting and obeying go hand-in-hand, and why spiritual growth usually doesn’t happen in a straight line. Plus, we share a bit more of our backstory with the Gerelds—Cracker Barrel, movie premieres, and all.

Oh—and don’t miss the part about our Montana marriage intensives. It’s one of our favorite things we’ve ever done together, and we share why it’s more than just a pretty location.

This episode is a great reminder that God’s not in a rush—and He’s not done with any of us yet.