There’s a subtle trap in ministry leadership that many pastors fall into—without even realizing it. In this episode, Jason Daye sits down with Nicole Massie Martin, Chief Impact Officer at Christianity Today, to explore the unseen pressures that can distort your leadership, whether it shows up as insecurity, performance-driven ministry, or quiet pride.

You’ll discover:

• Two extremes that distort healthy leadership
• How insecurity and overconfidence both miss the mark
• The concern with triumphalism in today’s church culture
• Why Christ-centered leadership is both confident and humble
• How to embrace a cruciform vision of leadership that reflects Jesus

If you’ve ever felt the pressure to perform, prove, or protect your platform, this episode offers a powerful reframe—anchored in the life of Jesus.

Dig deeper into this conversation: Find the free Weekly Toolkit, including the Ministry Leaders Growth Guide, all resource links, and more, at http://PastorServe.org/network

Some key takeaways from this conversation:

Nicole Martin on the importance of cultivating a personal relationship with God that allows us to hear His voice: "Having a relationship with God where we can feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, that is the best, most important information we need."

Nicole Martin on the significance of recognizing when our drive for productivity is rooted in ego rather than purpose: "If I feel myself falling into workaholism, that's a sign that my ego might be out of check."

Nicole Martin on the importance of using the power of the Holy Spirit to serve others and uplift those around us: "The point of you having power by the Holy Spirit is so that you can empower others and distribute that power in a way that gives glory to God."
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Visit http://PastorServe.org/network to find the Weekly Toolkit, including the Ministry Leaders Growth Guide. Our team pulls key insights and quotes from every conversation with our guests. We also create engaging questions for you and your team to consider and process, providing space for you to reflect on how each episode's topic relates to your unique church context. Use these questions in your staff meetings, or other settings, to guide your conversation as you invest in the growth of your ministry leaders.

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