Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Released Tuesday, 5th August 2025
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Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Ian Jones: “None of us should chase other people’s normal”

Tuesday, 5th August 2025
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Ian Jones MNZM is one of New Zealand's most capped locks, with 105 games and 79 tests for the All Blacks. Known as Kamo,  Ian played for the Chiefs from 1996 to 1999, and is now a rugby commentator for Sky Sports as well as General Manager of the All Blacks Experience in Tāmaki Makaurau Auckland.


In this episode, Ian talks about:


  • What it takes to be an All Black
  • What his most impactful coaches had in common
  • What the haka really means



Hunger & Heart is brought to you by the Crusaders Leadership Programme™. Whether you're coaching under-5s or a professional team, we all want the same thing: to build cultures of trust, get the best out of our people, and grow players into leaders.


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Introducing Hunger & Heart, a podcast about the intersection of wild ambition and fierce compassion, hosted by entrepreneur Kaila Colbin.Kaila tackles the myth that you can either empathise or get the job done, but not both. She talks to people who have managed to perform at the absolute highest level while still holding tightly to their values — specifically, sportspeople — revealing insights that apply not only to sports but to the world of work and beyond.Follow to get notified as soon as new episodes drop.--Kaila Colbin is founder and CEO of Boma, an organisation building a world of intentional, intelligent, courageous leaders. Boma is the creator of the Crusaders Leadership Programme™, bringing insights from five of the greatest rugby legends of all time to leaders globally.An award-winning leader renowned for impact, Kaila works with teams and organisations to build cultural alignment, cultivate honesty, and adapt to a rapidly changing world.As an international keynote speaker, she has shared the stage with the likes of Bear Grylls, General Stanley McChrystal, astronaut Chris Hadfield, and Swati Mandela. Her powerful, up-to-the-minute insights and world-class delivery make her a standout favourite with any audience.She developed TEDxChristchurch into New Zealand’s flagship TEDx event and brought Singularity University to New Zealand and Australia, supporting thousands of people to engage with exponentially accelerating technologies and their impact on humanity. Her work to champion Aotearoa New Zealand on a global stage saw her given the 2022 Kea World Class New Zealanders Friend of New Zealand award.As a founder of the non-profit Ministry of Awesome, Kaila played a critical role in developing Christchurch’s startup ecosystem. She has extensive governance experience, and has been involved with mergers, capital raises, and company sales in the US and NZ. She trained with Brené Brown and Al Gore, and is a chartered member of the Institute of Directors and a certified Project Management Professional.A native New Yorker, Kaila speaks English, Spanish, French and Italian. She holds a degree in Hotel and Restaurant Administration from Cornell University. Her purpose in life is to be an uplifting presence. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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