Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Released Monday, 11th August 2025
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Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Episode #43 – It’s Not Real Until It Hurts: Why No One Demands Change

Monday, 11th August 2025
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Part 2: It’s Not Real Until It Hurts
Cybersecurity doesn’t change because we know better. It changes because someone bleeds. Not until the breach is splashed across headlines. Not until patients are turned away mid-surgery. Not until your CEO’s kid finds their identity on the dark web.
 
In Part 2 of our six-part series, Accountability in Cybersecurity is Broken, Evan Francen (30+ years of cyber trench warfare) and Matt Goodacre (logic ninja, cyber smartass) rip into the ugly truth: in this industry, pain is the only language leaders understand.

We’re talking WTF news—from grounded airlines to vishing attacks against Google—CISO Humor that’ll make you laugh-cry, and a no-B.S. deep dive into why our so-called “leaders” only act after the damage is done. You’ll walk away with a “fix list” for pain-proofing your security strategy, so maybe next time you don’t have to bleed to get budget.

If you’ve ever warned about a risk months in advance, only to be ignored until disaster hit—this one’s for you. You’re not crazy. You’re just ahead of the blast radius.

This ain’t your compliance department’s podcast. This is InfoSec to Insanity.

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Welcome to the InfoSec to Insanity Podcast, a wild, unfiltered ride through the crazy world of information security. Hosted by the legendary Evan Francen—the man on a mission to fix the broken InfoSec industry—you’ll get straight talk, insane stories, and no-nonsense advice on how we can make real change in cybersecurity.Evan is no stranger to breaking down tough topics, with over 30 years of practical InfoSec experience, founding FRSecure and SecurityStudio, and helping the world make sense of security risks. He’s also written UNSECURITY, where he tells it like it is—our industry is failing, but it’s fixable. If you’ve ever felt like InfoSec was more chaos than clarity, then this podcast is exactly what you need.Why Tune In?Candid Conversations: No fluff, no corporate BS. Just real talk about the state of security.Battle Stories: Evan’s got tales—from advising on the infamous Target breach to helping protect companies like Wells Fargo and Blue Cross/Blue Shield.Fixing the Industry: Join us as we tackle the tough questions: Why do breaches keep happening? What’s wrong with InfoSec? And how can we fix it?Fun and Relatable: Evan brings his humor, hacker mindset, and love for diving into problems head-on—sometimes literally when he’s out scuba diving or tearing down a motorcycle!This podcast isn’t your standard cybersecurity chat. It’s a mix of tech talk, leadership insight, and just the right amount of insanity. Whether you’re a seasoned InfoSec pro or just trying to keep your company safe, there’s something for everyone here.

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