What do magicians and marketers have in common? A lot more than you think. In this episode of Insights Unlocked, Nathan Isaacs chats with Jimi Gibson, Vice President of Brand Communication at Thrive Agency, to explore how lessons from the stage can radically transform how brands communicate and connect with customers.

Jimi, a former professional magician turned messaging strategist, shares how the principles of illusion, empathy, and storytelling apply directly to customer experience design. Drawing from decades of experience—both on stage and in the boardroom—Jimi introduces his “magic script” framework, which walks brands through three emotional cues: connection, curiosity, and conversion.

You’ll hear how brands can shift from “me-first” messaging to customer-centered narratives that actually resonate. Jimi also discusses why clarity beats cleverness, how to test messaging in the wild, and the powerful impact of customer feedback on creative strategy. From landing page makeovers to understanding the psychology of engagement, this episode is packed with insights you can act on right away.

What you'll learn in this episode:

Why great marketing is more like great theater than you’d think

How the “magic script” uses brain chemistry to build deeper customer connection

Why empathy, clarity, and insight should be the foundation of all messaging

The power of message testing—before you go live

Real-world examples of emotional storytelling in action

Resources & Links:

Jimi Gibson on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimi-gibson/

Thrive Agency https://thriveagency.com/

Storynomics by Robert McKee

Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara

Nathan Isaacs on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanisaacs/)

Learn more about Insights Unlocked: https://www.usertesting.com/podcast

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What does it take to create experiences customers love, craft campaigns that captivate, and drive measurable results?Insights Unlocked features candid conversations with the builders, creators, and innovators driving some of the world’s most impactful digital transformations. Tailored for marketing, product, UX and CX leaders, each episode delivers actionable insights to help you create customer-first strategies and stay ahead in today’s competitive landscape. Each episode is about 30 minutes long. From optimizing product launches to leveraging AI for smarter workflows, Insights Unlocked is your go-to resource for designing experiences that resonate, drive loyalty, and achieve business results. Guests include influential leaders like Brian Solis, April Dunford, Kate Towsey, Jacob Nielsen, Teresa Torres, and Judd Antin among others, offering their expertise in CX, UX, and innovation. The podcast also highlights strategies and success stories from leading brands such as Verizon, Signet Jewelers, Figma, Microsoft, Tesco Bank, and more.UserTesting leaders and industry experts join as guest hosts, alongside show producer Nathan Isaacs, award-winning journalist and Senior Manager of Content Production at UserTesting.Brought to you by UserTesting, the leader in human insights and proactive customer experience strategies, Insights Unlocked empowers CMOs and marketing teams to craft experiences that drive growth, loyalty, and impact.Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Show notes, curated clips and more at usertesting.com/podcast.

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