Since 2015, at least 15 major companies — including Apple, Google, and IBM — have publicly stated that they no longer require employees to hold a college degree. That's a major shift in workforce development. And it goes beyond big-name companies. Even the federal government now prioritizes jobs skills over degrees. Does this change signal a long-overdue redirection? Susan Kelly, SVP of marketing at New Horizons Computer Learning Centers Worldwide, joined this episode of the podcast. We discussed certifications versus college degrees for workforce preparation.