In this episode, we follow the unique career journey of Natalie Kalinowski, Network & Cybersecurity Specialist at Verve Industrial, from teaching snowboard lessons to managing complex industrial network security. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, as Natalie shares how international internships, early career programs, and continuous learning shaped her expertise—and her advice for anyone looking to break into OT security.

Key Takeaways

• Career pivots can start anywhere—Natalie’s path began on the slopes and in hands-on engineering internships across the Dominican Republic and Germany.
• Rockwell Automation’s EDGE program provided foundational OT automation skills, bridging the gap from theory to real-world application.
• Continuous upskilling through certifications (CISSP, CCNA, FEMA courses) and self-directed study is key to keeping pace in a fast-evolving field.
• Strong communication skills—especially with global teams—are as critical as technical knowledge in OT security.
• For newcomers: pursue foundational certifications, gain experience in IT or OT support roles, and immerse yourself in industry news and terminology.

Timestamps

00:00 – Introduction & early jobs: teaching snowboarding and discovering manufacturing

02:10 – Engineering studies at Marquette University & global internships (Dominican Republic, Germany)

04:15 – Why manufacturing offered the variety and challenge Natalie wanted

05:30 – Joining Rockwell Automation through the EDGE early-career program

07:20 – Gaining hands-on experience in networks, automation, and OT environments

09:00 – Transitioning to network and cybersecurity focus

10:15 – Rockwell’s acquisition of Verve and upskilling in cybersecurity

13:00 – Certifications and training: PSIRT, CVSS, CCNA, FEMA, CISSP prep

15:40 – Overcoming imposter syndrome and building communication skills

19:05 – Working with global teams and adapting communication for non-native English speakers

21:00 – Advice for newcomers: certifications, entry-level IT/OT roles, learning the lingo, and staying informed

Guest Information

• Natalie Kalinowski: Network & Cybersecurity Specialist at Verve Industrial with a background in computer engineering, global manufacturing internships, and OT network design. Passionate about continuous learning, cross-cultural communication, and mentoring new entrants into the cybersecurity field.

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