How have we allowed the motivation of our doctors and nurses to plummet like this?

The pandemic has taught us that health matters most. And yet we undermine the professionalism of these key people, by not trusting them as we should.

There is a ray of rope. In the UK Matt Hancock today announced changes to reduce the NHS bureaucratisation that has been so damaging for staff morale. And new opportunities emerge in the US.

But we'll need to go faster and deeper to treat the motivational cancer that's spread across our health systems. We need to start with re-thinking how new doctors are trained, motivated and nurtured.

In the Intrinsic Labs podcast, I'm talking to Dr Adina Kalet, Director of the Robert D and Patricia E Kern Institute for the Transformation of Medical Education. She's one of the leading thinkers and practitioners in medical education today.

It's a fascinating discussion that gets to the heart of what it really means to be a doctor or physician today - and what means for that fundamental relationship with the patient.