Whenever I'm with this next mātanga waiata, we pick up exactly where we left off - which is always with a big haati loud cackle of a laugh and as you'll hear shortly, it's definitely a whānau trait. 

We go to a fair few places in this kōrero. We touch on the effects of lockdown, whānau dynamics, relationships, creative outlets and recognising how powerful it really is to be vulnerable. In this episode of Say Something, I speak openly with the most prolific male vocalist over the last decade; the neff, Stan Walker.