Shane sits down with fellow Co-Director and Lead Programmer, Joel Groff. They discuss Joel's changing career paths and what led him to dive deep into the world of indie game development and programming. The two talk through the complete overhaul to Skelattack's game systems and mechanics and the challenges of managing a large game studio team. Joel and Shane also discuss player feedback and being objective when it comes to the willingness to change the game for the benefit of the player.