Karina talks with Winter about some things that has helped since the death of her sweet daughter Chelsea, who died 19 days after birth due to  the improper development of her corpus callosum. Karina talks about reaching out to her friends and giving them permission to include her in the group chats. That even though she may be sad now,  she doesn't want to be excluded from life. Karina reminds us that we are still people, and we desire connection. A book that helped her after the loss was "The Baby Loss Guide: Practical and compassionate support with a day-by-day resource to navigate the path of grief." by Zoe Clark-Coates

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