Treating safety as just a compliance box to check is a mistake, especially at scale. In this episode of The Canary Report, host Michael Zalle sits down with Heather MacDougall, former Chief Safety Officer at Amazon and Chair of the Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission, to talk about leading 9,000+ safety pros across 1,000+ sites, navigating the chaos of COVID, and reshaping how we think about risk. From "two-way door" decisions to building real partnerships, it’s a candid look at safety leadership in complex and high-stakes environments.