In this episode, we talk a bit about the history of the state in Southern Africa, the Mfecane and the Zulu, and generally the difference between the state and the government. Follow us on Instagram and Twitter @jxcpodcast, and on Facebook at The Jelly and Custard Podcast.

Mentioned:

T.J. Tallie Civ 6 (on representations of the Zulu) - https://www.historyrespawned.com/home/2021/5/7/civs-101-zulu

The People's Guide to Capitalism (on the state and the government and class interests) - https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1481-a-people-s-guide-to-capitalism

Apartheid's Festival (on Jan Van Riebeeck Festival in 1952) - https://iupress.org/9780253216137/apartheids-festival/

Tshepo Madlingozi Review of The Land is Ours (on the class interests of the early ANC) - https://herri.org.za/3/tshepo-madlingozi/

Ronnie Kasrils on South Africa's Faustian Pact (on the transition and class interests) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWYf3NrDb10,  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/anc-faustian-pact-mandela-fatal-error

David Graeber on Bullshit Jobs - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4D5K4t3OjrNUFsRcMd6JfG?si=kSqHi2NnTJCkLwyRp46p-Q&utm_source=whatsapp

Yanis Varoufakis on Technofuedalism - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghx0sq_gXK4