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Are values just words on a wall? Or something you’re willing to stand by – even when it’s hard?

In this episode, Bob & Jeremy take on the uncomfortable question many businesses are now facing: What happens to your integrity when you quietly scale back your DEI programme?

We’re seeing it everywhere - big names like Google, Pepsi, and investment banks are stepping back from the DEI work they once shouted about. And here’s the thing: it’s not just a budget decision. It’s a values decision.

So, we ask:

• What do those cuts really say about what you stand for?
• Are we really ‘past the point’ of needing DEI – or just bowing to political pressure?
• And can values mean anything if they change with the wind?

With real-world examples, a dash of satire (don’t miss Bob & Jeremy’s sketch), and some heartfelt debate, this episode digs deep into the link between inclusion, integrity, and business leadership.

Whether you’re leading a team, shaping company culture, or just wondering where your business stands – this is the conversation you won’t want to miss.

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