I've stepped away from 'mainstream' everyone since the beginning of 2020. I consider Dave to be fairly mainstream alternative, if I can say that. But, although he was a tad slow and soft, he did start to speak out against the mainstream narratives probably the first of big name podcasters. I'm sooo glad to hear this conversation. These are two former fairly mainstreamers, talking about how off the deep-end the mainstream has gone. They've both relocated to Florida for the same reason, which is also very refreshing to hear. The dialogue about modern feminism and the demonization of men, is also extremely refreshing and great to hear discussed openly. 'Toxic Masculinity' happens in the absence of true masculinity.The discussion at the end about society wanting to keep the mainstream off-balance, hooked on pharma and needy zombies was spot on!