In this packed episode, Host Gavin Savage sits down with Richard Mabey, former M&A lawyer at Freshfields and now one of the leading voices in legaltech, to unpack the most urgent issues and transformative trends reshaping the legal profession in 2025.

Richard is the co-founder and CEO of Juro, an AI-native platform trusted by over 6,000 companies worldwide, including major global brands and Fortune 500 enterprises. It enables legal and business teams to draft, agree, and manage contracts in a single collaborative workspace, helping users close deals up to 10x faster than traditional workflows.

Together, Gavin and Richard walk through Juro’s freshly published State of In-House Legal 2025 report, dissecting the data behind rising burnout, the accelerating adoption of AI, and the cultural mismatch between what in-house teams need and what law firms still deliver. From Richard’s founder journey to the emergence of agentic AI, this is a sharp, data-driven, and human-first look at where legal is heading next, and what it will take to build both scalable tech and sustainable teams.

In this episode, we get into:

💥 Why in-house burnout is rising

🤖 What Agentic AI really means for legal teams. Not just smarter tools, but autonomous systems reshaping how work gets done

⚖️ Why BigLaw is losing ground with GCs

📉 The fall of the billable hour

🧠 Building legaltech that actually sticks

👥 Culture, leadership, and the cost of 10 pm Slack messages

So much of the legal industry is being reimagined faster than most teams can adapt. This episode goes beyond the hype to explore what’s breaking, what’s working, and what’s next for legal leaders navigating real pressure in real time.

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