The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

Released Thursday, 14th August 2025
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The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

The End of the ZIRP Era, and why recruiting is SO PAINFUL | E2164

Thursday, 14th August 2025
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Today’s show:

We’re back with another all-star VC roundtable discussion.

Joining Jason are Dave McClure of Practical VC, NVNG’s Grady Buchanan, and Tomasz Tunguz of Theory VC. Together, they’re having a deep insider discussion of the state of venture, secondary markets, running funds of funds, the legacy of Lina Khan, the difficulty of recruiting, and why the pendulum has potentially swung in founders’ favor.

Timestamps

(0:00) INTRO, The origins of Practical VC and how secondary funds work.

(05:44) So… how does Dave decide what to BUY?

(09:27) Melanie - Companies are staying private longer… Is this good for fund managers?

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(11:18) Show Continues…

(14:17) We’ve all heard about unicorns but… what about centaurs?!

(16:19) Jacob - Are VC marks… bullsh*t?! How long until your LPs should see DPI? The panel debates.

(17:22) Jacob - Is Jason too hard on Lina Khan? Dave says VCs created the problem!

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(21:30) Show Continues…

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(31:16) Show Continues…

(31:34) When it’s time to embed an expert into a struggling startup

(34:15) How investing in SO MANY COMPANIES gave Dave a trove of data

(40:33) Sometimes VCs have to be the “voice of reality”…

(45:53) Are stock buybacks the best use of capital?

(49:29) Jacob - The End of the ZIRP Era meets the Dawn of the AI Era

(51:04) Why running your business on debt, not equity, requires tough choices

(58:23) When you need to “take the medicine” on returns and live to fight another day.

(01:11:17) Is Grady actively seeking managers that have shown a demonstrated ability to produce liquidity?

(01:13:24) Dave says the pendulum has swung into founders’ favor.

(01:20:25) Dave teases his new secondary podcast, “Trading Places”!


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