Only the great Carl Phillips could warrant an episode all to himself. Recorded at the Sewanee Writers' Conference in 2021, James and Carl discuss assembling a collection, enjoying feeling lost, letting go of the argument, and putting a wedge between yourself and the unbearable. 

Sewanee Writers' Conference 2022 Applications due March 15! 

Buy Carl's books at indie bookstores.  

Music courtesy of Bea Troxel. 

Produced/ Mixed by Ryan Shea. 

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