After my conversation with Dr John Bergsma recently, I was blessed in the process to become acquainted with the team at St Paul Center who were so helpful for that interview and have continued to stay in touch afterwards. I received an email recently from Elisa, who suggested that one of their recent authors Josh Miller would make for a fantastic guest and I wasn't let down.

Josh is an extremely interesting and clever guy, who grew up Christian but eventually converted to Catholicism and published the book Converting the Blue Devils about the similar experience of 9 of his college mates.

Like me, in the moments before the conversion he was deeply anti-Catholic but tells the story about how that position changed layer by layer and over a period of years. And now he's doing something that he wouldn't have believed in a million years - undertaking studies to eventually become an ordained Priest. On that topic, we spoke about what it means for a young and highly credentialed guy to choose that path over the lure of family, business or anything else.

I highly recommend checking out the book, which you can pick up at the St Paul Center and be sure to follow them on Instagram for the latest releases at @stpaulcenter and @emmausroadpublishing.

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