In this episode, I chat with Derk-Jan de Grood. We explore what it means to live agility beyond just following frameworks. Derk-Jan shares insights on scaling skills over frameworks and connecting strategy to team actions. We discuss common pitfalls where quality often falls through the cracks, particularly at the management level. There's a focus on breaking down testing and improvement into small, actionable practices. It's all about making Agile effective and meaningful.